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>> oh, oh, sporting a quarter horse. goes 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds. not that i like speed. it also can track on a curve. it has 106.7 inch wheel base. its has more weight in the back for the first time ever. and i could hardly wait if i were just not in this job to take on my friend's porsche. i'm serious. it's the best buy in america. you know, motor trend says it snaps back to center unless you hold the car through any corner. i can hardly wait. you know, you know, by the way, you guys, everyone wants to know whether i'm going to run for president. there's a lot of reason to run for president but there's one overwhelming reason not to run for president. i would like to get to 0 to 60 in 3.4 seconds.

3.4 seconds. you tack that sucker up to six grand and it comes out of the hole like a bullet, map man. >> oh, my god. seriously i could watch that -- >> i love him. >> i wish you hadn't stopped. i wish you hadn't stopped. good morning. it is thursday, february 6th. welcome to "morning joe." >> he was talking to the auto workers, uaw. >> makes sense. >> i love him. >> his people. >> that was like that rick perry thing. >> his people are people, detroit's people, ford's people. >> we have msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst mark halperinhalperin. mike barncle. my daughter has a gift for you i'm going to give to you. and white house correspondent for the associated press, julie pace here on the set with us. and in washington, msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele. >> hey. >> looking good. >> thank you. >> so mike, my daughter made

brownies. is that bad. >> what kind of brownieses? >> slutty brownies. is that what they're called. >> a blonde with a double stuffed oreo in the middle and chocolate. since you're planning your funeral for 11 -- >> this is not one of those marijuana brownies. >> no. stop! >> oh. >> oh, my god. >> it is 6:00 in the morning. did you say that? >> i was joking. you know i was. >> i think that's a one bite -- >> it's legal in most states now. >> stop it, joe. stop it right now. >> what do you think? >> oh, man. i got to tell you -- >> that will wake you up, right? >> 360 in one bite. >> get out the oreos. >> would anybody else like my other half. >> no, thank you. >> have a bite. >> the latest report on obama care is framing the debate over the size and scope of government and federal programs impact everything from the -- end of the economy to what incentive

american workers have to get ahead. >> this week, congressional budget office said that the health care law will cause a decline in the number of full-time workers. democrats said it reflects new opportunities that americans didn't have in the past. >> as a result of the affordable care act, more americans will be able to voluntarily choose, choose to work fewer hours or not take a job because they don't depend on that job anymore for the provision of health insurance. the affordable care act does end that job lock. it allows americans to choose to spend more time with their family or pursue their dreams and that is not a bad thing, it's a good thing. >> republicans led by budget committee chairman paul ryan, responded by suggesting poor workers are being encouraged to work less. >> by providing heavily subsidized health insurance to people with very low income and then withdrawing those subsidies as income rises, the act creates

a disincentive for people to work, relative to what would have been the case in the absence of that act. by providing subsidies people are better off but they do have less of an incentive to work. >> i understand that. >> i guess i understand the better off in the context of health care. but better off in inducing a person not to work who's on the low income scale, not to get on the ladder of life, to begin working, getting the dignity of work, getting more opportunities, rise in their income, joining the middle class, this means fewer people will do that. that's why i'm troubled by this. >> it's interesting. mark halperin, the cbo director certainly not a right wing conservative, said that the affordable care act provides a disincentive to work. you know, democrats can go up and talk about opportunity and ask job lock and this and that and the other but you have the

cbo director talking about how the affordable care act creates a disincentive to work. that's not just the headline as a lot of people were suggesting yesterday. that's the heart of the story. >> it is. >> to me. >> it is -- >> to people who think like me -- >> work less, more -- >> but it's because people will have more choices. i actually think on balance -- >> more choices to what, not work? >> what? what are you talking about. >> come on. >> if you believe everybody should have health care, if you believe everybody should have health care in our society this allows some people to make the choice to not work. i think the bigger problem for the democrats, i think both sides have an argument -- >> why is that so funny? >> hold on a second. >> bigger problem for them. >> yeah. >> this is the bigger problem. because all the things in the cbo study are down the road. this story about people losing access to their doctors now because health care plans are to the being regulated to force the programs to allow them to have

access to a lot of providers, this story, this is hitting this year. this is a bigger problem. >> well that's a problem, but i want to explain, mika. >> please. educate me. no, no, no -- >> you asked a question why are michael steele and i laughing. why did michael laugh? it's because democrats are trying to frame this and the media is trying to frame this, as they have for the past 24 hours, this study which is devastating and goes to the heart of the problem that conservatives have against the welfare state, that programs are set up to create a disincentive to work and that's exactly what the cbo said in their report and michael steele, as you read it, it said, people would have a disincentive to work more, that have a disincentive, why, because the less they worked, the more government benefits they would get. that's the congressional budget

office that wasn't paul ryan. >> that's right. >> that wasn't ted cruz. that wasn't joe scarborough. that was center left economists looking at this. the cbo which the president of the united states talks about all the time saying the affordable care act creates a disincentive for people to work because the more they work, the more they're punished, the less they work, the less benefits they get from the federal government. that, michael, has it not been at the crux of the argument conservatives had against the welfare state for 50 years? >> for 50 years, joe, and certainly during the last three or four years when this whole argument about nationalizing our economy in terms of health care began. and so it's just loopy to sit there and make excuses the way this administration has, particularly since this report has come out. the fact of the matter is, it's very clear as you just laid it out, that you now have particularly for lower income, you know, workers, those who are the working poor have this

incentive f you will, or this choice as mark just put it not to work. i mean how crazy is that. let me get this straight. so tomorrow i can have my doctor or go to work? it just doesn't make sense to anybody to sit there and think that you're going to make that kind of choice or the government is incenty vising you to stay home from work so you can get health care. >> social securities disincentive to work? >> exactly. >> no. does the congressional budget office call social security a disincentive? >> exactly. >> i mean no. >> it would if they studied it in the same way. >> social security goes to your retirement. that assumes you're already working. >> an you have paid into social security. >> why would they keep working if they didn't have social security? why don't we get rid of that as a disincentive. >> exactly. >> julie pace, roll out a big government program, do something really big, and chances are the

other side will find tons of different holes to poke in it. 20, 30 years from now is this going to be a good or bad thing for society? by the way, the critics here, do you want people to have health care or not? because it's not a simple fix. or another president would have been able to do it. >> right. >> in the 30 years it's been tried. >> two things, one on the pure economics of this, what we don't know is what the economic impact will be if you have roughly 2.5 million people who are no longer working full time over the next decade. some of these people may say i'm going to take this opportunity to start a small business i've always wanted to do. that could have positive economic impacts. if their jobs are replaced by other people working full time, that could be good for the economy. we just don't know that yet. and then just on the politics, you know, this is a discussion that we're having where we're really kind of getting into what this report actually says. but we all know that come october and november of this year, the ads that are being run against democrats like mary

landrieu and mark prior will be boiling this down to a simpler -- >> skewing them. >> perhaps not accurate, but much simpler argument that is going to be tough for them -- >> like the headline yesterday. all these jobs that will be lost. >> again, i want to be very clear. you talked about the other side. the congressional budget office is not the other side and the other thing that i've talked about this morning are their exact words. i see you smiling and whatever. no. i'm just quoting what the congressional budget office said, that people will have a disincentive to work more. and mike, forget about republicans, forget about conservatives, most americans rebelled against the excesses of the welfare state and the great society for 30 or 40 years, because they saw a disincentive to work and they saw what the long-term impact was about for some of us, and i think for most americans reading this report, they're going to think, geez, this sure sounds a lot like 1975

to me. >> well, it also seems if you take a step back and look at it which is hard do in the throes of the report being issued. you see two different levels it would appear. the practical and political. the political level is that this provides enormous ammunition for the republican party. enormous ammunition. everyone in america gets oh, a disincentive to work. they get that. the labels are all right there provided by the congressional budget office. there's the political part of it. also the others aspect of the political part of it is, michael, there are elements within the. republican party that have been trying for years to eliminate elements of the new deal, the great society, all sorts of social programs that many americans depend on, poor, middle class, many americans depend on them. that's the political side. the practical side is, this

phrase job block, i get the idea that portability of your insurance means you can leave your job and still have your medical benefits to some extent and go to another job, but the problem with job lock and the feeling of freedom that comes with portability and your health insurance, we as a country, as a culture, as a society, as an economic and political set of people, we are about two years away from having a robot come into your house as a plumber. there are no jobs. we are on the edge of technology changing our work culture to an extent that we can't even figure out. that's the problem of people who say, this is a terrific thing. >> to what you just said, today's "wall street journal" is taking a look at how technology is impacting the nation's work force. like the plumber you just talked about. the article notes that rapid innovation and globalization is taking an especially heavy toll on american men. >> there you go. >> who were traditionally at a

prime age to hold down a job. we had guests in the past who are in this area right now of trouble. according to the report, just 6% of american men ages 25 to 54 were without jobs in the early 1970s. that number grew to 13% in 2007. two years later, the great recession left nearly 20% without work today. the number stands at 17%. speaking to what the article calls a, quote, chronic condition. >> it's, mika, you've talked about this so much. >> yeah. >> you know, mike, i remember my father sitting on the edge of his bed and my mother talking about -- he was 40, when he turned 40, and, of course, that was back in the early '70s so 40 was sort of what 50 is right now. >> right. >> but now how many men that you've talked to, that you know, especially through dwyane, are sitting on the edges of their bed this morning at 50, who have

been working hard their whole life and playing by the rules and the economy that mike was talking about and "the wall street journal" talked about has just left them behind. >> that was what the author who we had on the show a few weeks ago, dwyane shank, has spoke. the response he's gotten to the book has been unbelievable. men and women actually because some women -- but men really locked into the psychological part of that because you have to completely go at this in a way that most men who have played by the rules and have worked all their lives are not prepared for. >> it just gets into this larger discussion, not just about health care and the impacts in this report, but what kind of job training program are available for these people. are they training them for the jobs that will be -- >> for a 50-year-old man. >> to have to learn computers and new skills that aren't, you know, like machines and that kind of labor that they might be used to. how is our education system training young people to make sure they're going to stay competitive. it's a much larger discussion.

>> joe -- >> wei >> by the way, let's be positive, because that's what i do because i'm up with people. >> up with people. >> mr. sunshine. >> i'm one of the 3%, i'm very optimistic about america in the future. let's just go ahead and give a big sunshine smile to the governor of tennessee who is doing what we've been talking about and just following up on what julie said where the governor is saying, hey, you want to go to vo tech schools, learn how to be a plumber, go to community colleges, you want to learn the craft that's going to help you make maybe 60, 70, 80, $90,000 a year at these jobs that we just can't fill in america right now, go to college for free for two years. >> you need more focus on things like that, on vo-ed, but what julie referred to, what you referred to, if you lose your

job, man or woman, at the age of 50, 55, you lose a part of your life that's never coming back. right now, the way it works in this country, it's never coming back. >> if i can bring it back to the beginning of this conversation, these are people who want to work. should they also lose their health care? >> no. >> i don't think that's disincentive. >> nobody is suggesting that, mika. that's a cheap shot. >> why is that a cheap shot? >> wait. >> it's just a cheap shot. >> why does it have to be either or. >> you were suggesting we have to put -- if republicans are -- if moderate americanss are concerned about a health care program that has been put in place at the congressional budget office says provides a disincentive for americans to work, that you're against everybody having health care. you know, there are more than -- there's more than one approach to health care. >> right. >> in fact, barack obama and nancy pelosi and most of the people in washington still don't understand the health care plan they passed in 2009 so let's not

pretend that god chiselled it out on tablets and gave it to moses on mt. sinai and it was the perfect plan that came down. >> it's not. >> because it's still a red hot mess. >> as joe biden would say, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. >> i agree with everything you say -- >> thank you. >> except if you have universal health care there is going to be a time some people who choose not to work because they don't need to have health care. >> fact. >> michael steele. >> i was going to say, why do we have to have this system where there's an either/or proposition for the consumer. that if i want health care, that -- then i don't work or i can just opt out of working. i mean if that's what the government is setting up as the model, then that's not a very smart model. you know, i agree that the governor of tennessee is looking at this wholistically and trying to get this work force jump started in his state, but again, you fall back on this question that as a 50-year-old man who's

just lost a job, you know, what are you going to do with vo-tech? how long will it take you to grow back into an economy at 60, 70, $80,000 a year? we have to look at this more smartly than we are and this one size fits all approach that obama folks want to put in place, clearly has its frayed ends. i just -- i just reject this proposition that, you know, that somehow if you have health care, work becomes an option. >> yeah you know, let's look at the front page of the "wall street journal" again, a lot of great stories there again today. the cvs story that you were talking about yesterday. also the pakistani drone program being curved dramatically. down here i think you're exactly right, mark, we're all talking about one thing. i think this is at the end of the day, the issue, that's the greatest challenge everybody. >> for everybody. >> if patients, if americans aren't able to go to the doctor of their choice, that's going to

be a serious problem. what does the story say? >> it's not just doctors. it's medical clinic, providers. it says that plans are being regulated by both the state and increasingly by the federal program and it's going to deny people access to medical providers they have in their previous plans. it's another case where, as the democrats passed this into law, and the president campaigned for re-election, they didn't tell people, you know what, the nation will have to make some sacrifices to have universal health care. losing access to your preferred medical provider or having to drive miles to get to somebody to see, that is a huge change. >> the second part of a deadly 30-second commercial where democrats promised that you -- if you liked your plan you could keep it and if you liked your doctor you could go to it. well now we're finding that you can't do either according -- >> that's not just poor people. that's going to hit -- >> everybody. >> pretend for purposes of this story and topic pretend for ten seconds that you're a moderate

democrat who has voted for barack obama twice, you've got your children, and you're at a point at some point in the near future where you can't get to see your family physician because, for a variety of reasons, a lot of them having to do with the law enacted and you end up having to take your kids within the next two years, to your local pharmacy to see the physician and residents at your local pharmacy. that could be an element of where we're going here. >> speaking of your local pharmacy the cvs story, i cannot believe the criticism that some have had for it. i didn't think there was -- >> criticism? >> i know. am i -- am i being naive. >> you might be a little to think there wouldn't be some criticism. >> speak the truth to me. >> you get the typical arguments, it's your choice if you want to smoke just because you don't sell cigarettes at cvs. >> go to the sig cret dealer. >> cvs, i saw a lot of positive reactions, they're getting a lot

of positive publicity for this. mothers talking about, you know, they don't want their kids to be able to have access through cvs. on balance cvs will come out better. >> think about, mika, the -- i mean the conflict of interest between a pharmacy, a wellness center, selling tobacco products. >> right. >> i mean it just goes against what the core mission is. so congratulations cvs. >> i think it's amazing. >> hopefully other national chains will follow suit. >> okay. we'll talk about it a little bit later because there is actually an interesting argument on the other side. coming up on "morning joe" -- >> did i say something that offended you? >> no. i don't have the time. look at this lineup, joe. >> we got walter. >> chuck todd. >> john goodman. >> look at that. >> leigh gallagher. donald trump. and from the new movie "the monuments men" john goodman on the set. >> those are monument men and

women right there. >> the top stories in the politico playbook. first bill karins with a check on the forecast which might be easing up a little bit, bill? >> it's going to be cold. we don't like the. at least we're not going to have any more big snow storms on top of the last two. yesterday we ended up with 10 inches of snow, all the way from boston to syracuse, all the way back into areas of indianapolis and even kansas city had about 9 inches total and right now, 64% of the lower 48, the only areas not covered in snow, is the southeast and extreme southern portions of the country. this is about as much of the country i think -- this is probably the peak of our snow pack across the lower 48. where do we go from here? it is a very cold morning. none of the snow is melting today. light snow showers. oklahoma city and about to move through ft. worth and the dallas area. so be very careful on the roads. it is so cold even treated surfaces are really going to struggle. the windchills are brutal in the midwest today. minus 40s around montana and minus 12 in chicago. it's a very cold winter morning across the country.

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is complicating efforts for crews to attempt to clear roadways. municipalities in new york and new jersey ordered emergency salt deliveries to replenish dwindling supplies. states across the country are facing similar problems. if the salt is not on the road, the roads don't go. >> san jose mercury news, a former energy official is calling last april's attack on a pacific gas and electric substation in california an act of terrorism. a group of well-trained intruders cut underground cables and opened fire on transformers knocking out power to an entire silicon valley community. the former head of the federal energy regulatory xigs says it could have been a rehearsal for a much bigger plot. no arrests have been made in the attack. >> this from "the san francisco chronicle" twitter stocks looking to rebound after yesterday's 17% decline. >> ouch. >> in its first quarter as a

public company twitter's user growth also declined and also unprofitable as costs continue to grow faster than revenue. experts say twitter needs to prove it can continue to engage its viewers and they're facing a lot of the same challenges that facebook faced when they went public and, of course, facebook rebounded very quickly. >> "the wall street journal," hbo is generating more money than rival netflix but it is not winning the battle for subscr e subscribers. the companies made nearly $5 billion in 2013 with a total of nearly 30 million domestic subscribers. netflix made $4.3 billion, but 32 million users pay for the streaming service. and from the "usa today" a game-changing development for devices has restored the sense of touch for an amputee victim in denmark. >> no way. >> researchers surgically implanted electrodes in the nerve of a man who lost his left hand nearly nine years ago.

they connected them to a sensory enhanced device allowing him to feel what was in his hand. >> that's incredible. >> can you believe that? >> i can't. it's amazing. "the "boston globe"" coca-cola lovers may be able to make their favorite soda at home. the company announced a $1.3 billion agreement with green mountain coffee. green mountain plans to release a machine to make soft drinks at home next year, stop it, barncle. >> yes. >> the new deal could boost soda sales which have been on the decline for decades and threatens soda stream, it does not, because you can make a healthy soda and with coca-cola and soda pop you make an unhealthy soda which is why nobody should buy coke, pepsi, mountain dew, orange soda, grape crush, whatever. that stuff just doesn't need to be in the stores. get rid of it and the world is a

better place literally. >> why don't you tell americans to turn their back on jesus at the same time. >> hall prin, we don't need it. it's poison. it is liquid poison. >> now that i hear that -- >> that's what -- >> i can have coca-cola running if my own home? >> think about it. >> i'm going to take a bath in coke. i'm going to, you know -- >> instead of tap water. >> make my tap water -- >> if that makes you take a bath i'll support it. with us chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen here with the morning playbook. so mike, this whole chris christie thing that's going on, regardless of how it ends up, a lot of people are saying what hurts chris christie may help another governor. tell us about it? >> yeah. a big beneficiary of chris christie's troubles, scott walker in wisconsin, you talked about him around the table so many times and people in washington are saying, wow, we're not so sure about chris christie now. who else is there? that's the big question, right? if not jeb who. that's how all these conversations are framed.

and again and again, the first name that comes up in these conversations is the wisconsin governor scott walker who after he wins re-election in november, will have a great story to tell because of his recall, he's going to be able to say that he won three times in five years in a blue state. the right loves him. joe, you remember when he was on the cover of "national review" with a breast plate and sword, slaying the dragons of the unions in his recall fight. he's got a book out and just announced if his state of the state, a $1 billion surplus. so republicans like their governors. they like midwest. and so that's why they're talking scott walker. >> wow. well that's interesting. and you also -- let's talk a little bit also about some of the other candidates that are out there. i guess when chris christie decides whether he runs or not, that will, obviously, shake the field up one way or the other, but i'm hearing a lot of quiet

rumblings with jeb, with chris christie possibly moving off center stage jeb is taking a second look and harder look at it. are you hearing the same? >> absolutely. he's saying to himself, it's got to be someone and it should be me who i can tell you that republicans would be very reassured of the idea of jeb doing it. people still don't know even people close to him aren't sure how real it is but with the field this uncertain, this huge x factor of what's going to happen with governor christie polls showing no frontrunner, that's why again and again these conversation comes to jeb. from your home state and i would ask you, how -- what you think the likelihood of it is? >> you know, it's a tough question. i mean a lot of people close to him think that he's really taking a close, hard look at it, but, you know, end of the day it's just whether he's going to have the fire in his belly and whether he wants to put up with all the sacrifices he saw his father and brother make and i don't think he even knows that

right now. it's going to be a while. listen, certainly chris christie going through his problems, political problems, certainly makes jeb look at it much closer. >> and yeah, and joe, i think you'll agree the bush name, always the asterisk with him, seems to be much less of a factor now. there's so much good coverage of his dad, president bush 41, president bush 43 is looking better and i think that's going to help him too. >> mike allen, thank you. coming up, curt schilling releases some concerning information about his health. the former pitcher's newest challenge is next in "morning joe" sports. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work.

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welcome back, everybody. want to talk sports news. there's sad news to pass along from the baseball world. former pitcher curt schilling says he has cancer. the 47-year-old is now an espn analyst and he pitched in the majors 20 years, won three world series titles with the red sox. barncle. and the diamondbacks. in a statement schilling says, quote, with my incredibly talented medical team i'm all ready to try to win another big game and talks about the challenges if his life, the blessings he's had in his life

and sounds like he's got the right attitude to tackle this. >> what kind of cancer? >> it's unclear but it appears he's being treated at dana farber in boston which is a world-class facility. good luck to him. >> wish him nothing but the best. want to turn to football news because it has been more than 30 years since seattle fans have celebrated a championship. they've never had a championship to celebrate. >> wow. >> they got their chance now. and estimated 700,000 fans flooded into the streets to honor their favorite team, the saw ha shaux. >> have you ever seen a celebration through the streets of beijing? >> no. but this is unusual. a lot of american citizens there. >> yeah. >> mike, by the way, anybody that watches tv just know that mike thinks that any team that is actually west of the hudson river of boston is beijing. >> seattle is one of the greatest american cities. >> it's too late to backtrack.

>> so remote in terms of travel time -- >> exactly. >> you've called them beijing throughout the entire season. >> wow. >> you know -- >> lot of americans there. >> they gave a high military presence. >> did they? >> they went through downtown in military vehicles. >> okay. >> celebrating with cheering fans including one skittle tossing marshawn lynch, power pellets. in this video shot by the crowd lynch grabs a bottle of whiskey from a fan. i don't know how that goes with skittles. >> yeah. >> but -- >> that would be good. >> a chaser. >> exactly. but the legion of boom. mika, you know that's the lob. >> of course. >> right. >> l.o.b. >> featured on the cover of the latest of "sports illustrated." >> wow. >> sure. absolutely. would you like a slu tty browni? >> of course. >> coming off his super bowl loss peyton manning is spending time on the golf course with none other than new england patriots coach bill belichick. he beat the pats to win the afc championship a few weeks ago.

manning was the latest addition to the pebble beach pro am tournament which pairs pro golfers with celebrities. >> nice swing. >> not bad. >> college football. joe you're going to like this. >> okay. >> the university of alabama looks like the big winner in the national signing day. for the third straight year the crimson tide got the top ranked recruiting class after receiving 19 let es of intent from top high school players yesterday. this is in addition to the 8 early enrollees who arrived on campus in january. the rest of the ranking the top five recruiting classes, lsu, florida, state, texas a&m and tennessee. >> it was insane. joe scarborough the man that said the seahawks would win by more than 40 points, told me they got more than five stars than entire conferences, than the other entire conferences. i guess saban kind of taking it personally he didn't win the national championship this year, but it was one of the greatest recruiting seasons ever. i didn't follow this stuff but apparently tons of five star --

>> couple other sec teams in the top ten. used to be notre dame would always be in the top two or three, no more. but that's why alabama is, you know, national championship, you know, every other year it sfeems i want to leave you on a high note. good news from sochi. >> nice. >> jamaican bobsled team -- >> you heard about the yogurt, right? >> it's stuck in newark. >> stuck in newark. free the yogurt. >> everything gets stuck in newark. >> bobsled gear has been freed. the team posted this picture. found this moments ago. to the facebook page of the jamaican bobsled team. the two man team couldn't make its first practices yesterday because the team's gear and luggage was missing. if it hadn't arrived the team was forced to borrow gear from other teams. but they posted on facebook the gear was found and start their first practice runs today in uniform. >> i love it. next. >> exciting. thank you. >> up next reagan biographer craig shirley joins us on what

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that's what matters the most. with us now, we have presidential historian craig shirley author of the book "ren de views with destiny, ronald reagan and the campaign that changed america." thank you for being with us to celebrate ronald reagan's birthday. you are the plan that write a reagan biography every three or four minutes. >> he just wrote one. >> while he was waiting in between break. they're all great. i've read them all. on this moment when the republican party is at its

lowest approval level since gallup has been taking polls over decades, what's the message for reagan republicans? >> you know, it's funny you mentioned that, joe, if you go back to 1975 when the republican party association in this country was about 18%, he actually suggested that the party come up with the new name because it becomes so sullied after nixon and watergate and all the other problems. i think that if the -- i think you're right, there's a permanent schism now in the republican party between the insiders and outsiders. reagan came from the ranks of the outsiders, able to consolidate the insiders to a new republican party and break apart the old new deal coalition with the influx of reagan democrats. i think that weight going to need to happen is you have to get an inspirational leader who comes from the ranks of the populace tea party reaganite who is going to come up with a compelling message that's going to motivate that side of the

party to take it over and consolidate it in time for 2016. >> i wonder whether we're wasting our time when we talk about the next reagan, the next reagan, that's like boston looking for the next ted williams. ted williams had swing. only ted williams had the swing. only ted williams had the eye. ronald reagan was able to be conservative because he had extraordinary personal skills that didn't scare the hell out of independent voters. >> you're absolutely right. there is no other reagan. men like that don't grow on trees, neither do men like eisenhower, franklin roosevelt or other great presidents we've had. the next compelling leader, there can be a compelling leader with a reagan-esque type of message but ronald reagan was unique. >> mike? >> what you just said is kind of interesting. hadn't really occurred to me. >> just kind of? >> tad bit. >> the selling of a program, whether you're talking about trying to sell reduction in welfare, whether you're trying to sell welfare reform or trying

to sell eliminating the carrying interests, hedge fund guys pay more in income tax, the language and demeanor of the person selling it makes a huge -- for instance, ronald reagan, ted cruz could never do what he's doing today -- if ronald reagan sounded like ted cruz, what am i saying here? >> well actually -- >> mike, may i help you -- >> you'll underline this for me too, it's even more important for conservatives to be better at messaging and selling and demeanor which i've been saying for years. >> tone. >> as republicans scare the hell out of everybody because you know what, it's easy to say you want health care, we'll give you health care, this benefit, we'll give you this benefit, social security, medicare, don't worry, we're not going to touch it, don't be mean to old people. it's harder to actually to tell people what they need to hear which unfortunately as tom brokaw has said over the next 30

years is going to be -- instead of giving people things, telling people what has to be taken away in terms of benefits so we don't bankrupt ourselves. >> right. go back to mike's point. is that, you know, mike reagan said without my fiphilosophy i would be just another out of work actor. he said i'm not a great communicator i think i'm trying to communicate great ideas. joe to your point, he had a message that was compelling not just to republicans but also to democrats and independents. and creates a new republican party and the thing about liberalism in this country today and the history of liberalism, is that the message from fdr to obama is essentially been, give me power so i can do good things for you. so you have an emotional response. that makes sense. i'll vote for this guy. reagan's message in 1980 was, give me power so i can give it

back to you. you have to think about what he means and what he's talking about 1980 and why the message is missing today, he's saying put me in office so i can implement a conservative, populace federalism view of the world and send power away from washington back to the country where it belongs and in 1980 he said often, don't trust me, trust yourself. he truly believed that the individual was more important than institutions. >> republicans have said that since they have -- they haven'td that way. >> reagan has become the go-to former president that everybody from obama to john boehner to paul ryan references and i'm curious what you think, do you think that his actual policies and legacies are being accurately reflected by this -- people or are they being misconstrued. >> terrific question. all presidents go through ups and downs in history and revision.

harry truman -- >> what were the revisions with reagan? >> what are the good revisions or bad revisions? >> the revisions of his policies as he looked back on them -- >> mika, i guess what mika is -- chuck -- >> the idea he was a great compromiser. he was a compromiser as long as he could get 80%. that's how he typically compromised in sacramento and in washington, is that he was just this happy go lucky guy, is that this is a man who fought for everything he ever achieved in his life, he had to fight very hard for. >> i think, craig, what mika was asking you, and that was a great point, what do you think about the republican consulting class and the republican establishment wing. >> yes. >> and people that have spent us into debt from 2001 to 2009, and ran away from reagan's small government policies, wrapping themselves in ronald reagan's aura? >> i couldn't agree more. you and i have talked before

about the influence of what you would call the new political bosses. we learned in high school physics and i remember when i wasn't sleeping? high school physics the teacher saying power can neither be destroyed or created, it can only be moved around. inside the republican party the power has moved from the state party chairman to the delegates to the elected officials and now moved to the consulting classes. they are the new political bosses inside the republican party and they have totally misshapen reaganism and conservatism and drained the fun out of american politics. >> craig shirley, always good to have you on the show. thank you very much. still ahead, nasa wants a piece of it, so does google and the cia. there's a new super computer that's grabbing -- >> brownie? >> brownies are disorienting. >> they are disorienting. >> they're good, right? i won't have any. grabbing the attention of everyone from jeff bezos to lockhead martin. the new issue of "time" magazine

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♪ we have a preview of the lego movie, take a look now, here it is. >> it's the film you've been waiting for since childhood. get ready for the lego movie. assembling february 7th. >> funny. >> i actually am taking my children tonight to that, but i've got to say, i'm a little less excited about it than i was a few minutes ago.

>> it's going to be great. i've heard great things about it. going to have so much fun. >> jack is going to go crazy. >> it's not going to be like the lego bit i just seen by eddie. >> similar. >> okay. >> bill kristol -- >> welcome back to "morning joe." i don't know what's going on here, but let's read between the lines here. mark halperin, julie pace, and michael steele are still with us. joining us now editor of "the weekly standard" who happens to have a brilliant daughter, bill kristol. and in washington, nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. she's a good teacher. we need those. >> bill has a crystal ball at home. he is -- and he looks into it every once in a while and politico asked him to name the candidates who are actually -- we're sitting here debating what is this chris christie thing, is jeb going to be jumping into the race. scott walker, is this -- bill

just was asked who's going to be on the stage at these debates and you said there are going to be -- your crystal ball showed you in advance of nine people that will be on stage. >> nine. >> i've been right so many times in the past that -- this is what people are paying. politico asked a bunch of people in light of christie's troubles and all the other talk who are going to be the finalist in the republican race, the nominee. i did send them a little paragraph and i said i don't know who the nominee is going to be but everyone will want to try to run, right? >> right. >> this is really unusual for the republicans, republicans such a hierarchical party, next in line, romney, this time no next in line, more like a democratic party. i think healthy for the party incidentally. i did say with great confidence, false confidence, that i know who the nine people on take after labor day and the first serious debate labor day 2015 are going to be. jeb bush will be the establishment candidate. >> he will be in? >> i think so.

i think christie is in trouble. jeb is much more likely to run than people thought and will have formidable establishment support. two sitting governors, scott walker of wisconsin, mike pens of indiana. pentz i think underrated served in the house, favorite of conservatives, knows about foreign policy as well. two sitting republican senators, ted cruz and rand paul. >> that's five. >> you think cruz will jump in. >> yeah. >> real messages and real support. i think they're underrated a little bit. who else does that leave? okay. then we have mike huckabee, who ran in 2008. >> think he'll jump in too? >> i think me might. he's underrated in washington. awfully talented candidate. >> very talented. >> won iowa didn't he in 2008 as i recall? >> easily. >> could do it again. that's six. john bolton, former state department official. >> really? >> ambassador, believes strongly that foreign policy issues need to be litigated and will want to make the hawkish case on the stage and will do a good job of

it. that's seven. then just to have people's heads explode i put down sarah palin. why won't she actually -- i was thinking about this, why wouldn't she think of running? >> why wouldn't she. >> the truth is, she might be [ inaudible ] in a republican primary and everybody would go great. >> look at her already, already the heads about to -- the heads about to explode. the eyes are getting a little -- >> right. >> and ninth i said joe scarborough. >> as a debate moderator. >> i think a candidate. >> rick perry. >> and those guys will look at the race and try the race and realize i think they fall out in preseason and then training camp. >> i'm not going to let that go. >> that's my nine. >> why number nine? >> i don't know. it's a baseball starting nine. >> no. >> the sport called baseball they -- >> why would you put joe on that list? >> why did i put joe on the list. he's a former elected official, following out there, fill the

jon huntsman lane. >> wow. >> never be on the show again. that's okay. >> there's room for it. there's room for -- >> listen, i love jon huntsman but that's like -- that's like -- >> that was bad. >> no. i love jon huntsman, coming from you, that's like waving a bloody flag to conservatives. that's why i was laughing. >> now you can show -- >> i take that as a compliment. >> whether you are much more conservative than jon huntsman. >> hold on -- >> just my plea dixion, not my choices. >> say that slowly. >> you said i am conservative? is that what you said? >> you found some issues you're conservative. >> shut up. i'm very conservative. >> you are. you would make an articulate argument for certain forms of -- let's call it "morning joe" conservatism. >> there you go. >> not a -- listen, i think we agree on most things. we don't on foreign policy obviously. i'm for more -- i think hillary clinton's view on foreign policy

is probably closer to yours and i don't say that as an insult. i think hillary clinton is a far bigger neocon than -- >> i wish. if only. >> than a lot of other -- >> if only. >> it would be a good debate. >> michael steele wants to jump in. >> go ahead. >> and then talk about sarah palin for a second and make a counterintuitive argument for sarah palin. mike? >> i want to hear that, joe, because i would probably agree on that. but i think one of the things that this list points up to me is something that -- a question that needs to be answered, what is conservatism, what is a conservative going into this 2016 race. i think you will see a lot of that question begin to get shaped and answered this election cycle in 2014, particularly with some of the tea party challenges that we see in places like kentucky and elsewhere. so i think the list, this presidential list, will be a very intriguing one because you've got the gamut, if you will, from a jeb bush

establishment type to, you know, a rand paul libertarian type of candidate and how they frame this argument of what conservatism is in the 21st century is going to be very important. >> it's going to be an exciting race. i want to talk about sarah palin to make people's heads explode and mika's head explode. sarah palin is like that athlete that -- and i love how pat buchanan always talks about political athletes. sarah palin is like that athlete, say babe ruth, okay, babe ruth gets off the field, right, and he's just got -- he's just messy and sloppy and he doesn't know how to conduct himself off the field, but people could forget if he wasn't on the field for five, six, seven, eight, nine years that every time he comes to the plate and the pressure is on, he hits a home run. i go back to -- and i compare sarah palin as a public figure and she's done so many things that have disappointed me, so i am not a sarah palin fan. i think she's made one mistake after another, but i'm just

saying, for argument sake, if you're sarah palin why not run? because i compare her to oliver north. remember how the press was killing oliver north? killing him. just eviscerating him. and he was given a microphone for about three or four days and he owned america. and then he walked off stage and then the press started kicking oliver north and, of course, now we all know that oliver north was this crazy out of control this, that and the other. when he had the microphone -- people forget when sarah palin had the microphone, yes, she had a bad katie couric interview but not only did she deliver one of the best republican national convention speeches i've heard in my lifetime, it really was pretty remarkable, given everything, that at the end of the campaign, when my dear friend joe biden was stuck on an airplane with ear phones in, and was drawing 250 people in pennsylvania, sarah palin was lighting up the campaign trail

and had thousands of people up there. the only press the thing could do was scour the crowd of 10,000 and find one racist sign and say all of sarah palin supporters are racist. while i have been deeply disappointed in sarah palin and i'm not suggesting she has the abilities to be a governor let alone a president given a lot of things, i'm saying she's shown some real weaknesses, get her on the campaign trail, bill, and she lights it up. i don't know if she still would but i think the press has forgotten how great she was -- >> look, she's a huge political talent. she has a real pop pulous strea and a feel for middle america the way politicians do. i think her biggest mistake she probably can't recover was stepping down as governor partway through her term. rocky presidential campaign but ultimately not a bad one. did not hurt the ticket. you can make the case she might have marginally helped the ticket. she was young.

had a rocky vp campaign. she was the governor of alaska. if she had finished the term, said i did some good here, hand it off to her lieu fen nant governor -- it's going to be hard for people to get beyond her stepping down for unclear reasons and not really -- she didn't step down and say i'm taking up this project and do something for america. she stepped down to -- >> made money. >> i think that's a bit of a problem. i don't think she ultimately makes it. she makes it through the first two or three debates, livens things up, withdraws in favor of joe. that's why joe -- >> right now. >> i want the endorsement. i want the endorse ment. >> so i don't disagree with anything you said. she could do it, would do what you said, it would be a sensation, make her millions of dollars, get her back at center stage but just because she did a good speech that nicole wallace wrote and -- >> oh, you know what -- >> if i could just -- >> listen -- >> not her. >> she worked on it. >> please. >> she works on it with matt and john.

she did as much -- contributed as much to that speech as most politicians do to most speeches. >> if it were that simple to deliver a speech under those circumstances, a lot more people -- >> she will not be the nominee but actually it would be foolish for the next republican nominee not to spend time talking with her. she has a feel for what people out there care about and a way to form late things and she should be part of the conversation. >> let's bring in -- >> i'm going to say wouldn't be good for the country and i'm sure you don't disagree. we have to move on go to chuck and mike. >> chuck, earlier today, we had politico talking about jeb. right now i'm hearing more and more chatter about jeb jumping in the race. bill kristol thinks he gets in and with chris christie's problems growing, why wouldn't he. there is not an establishment candidate out there, if not jeb bush. >> the issue is whether he wants -- i think you ought to go back to the language he used a couple weeks ago when he said he wants to have, you know, he wants to be able to make sure he

can run an optimistic campaign, run joyfully. the problem he's got is the minute he runs, can he run and defend his own record or is he going to be stuck running to defend his brother's record and i don't mean this in a general election, i think in a general election if he didn't have a primary to go through, he would jump into this thing in a heart beat. if this were the old days of the '40s and '50s and do primary or two but win this at the convention he would be 100% in. i think it's the primary process that he fears and defending his brother's record and the primary process is what would be frustrating to the entire bush family. this is not a bush republican party anymore. >> it's not. >> look at the things the rnc did. by the way, one point on sarah palin. i have always believed she's going to run, too, but for much more cynical reasons. i think it's a -- i think it's a financial reason. >> yes. >> that would be the reason. >> to get back into the spotlight. get the speaking fees back up.

you know, there's some question in my mind about huckabee's motivation, how much of that is about -- you know, there's a lot of people who run for president for their careers. >> really? can't we give these people the benefit of the doubt here. >> i -- >> some establishment type runs, everyone says take seriously, jon huntsman running, wants to serve the country. you have him on 452 times on "morning joe" and chuck says jon huntsman could do it. he's a governor and ambassador to china. sarah palin, mike huckabee, those guys just want to make money. >> let him go. >> let me finish. >> i have not gotten over -- >> the way he talks about john hunts man we have obviously touched a nerve. 452 times. >> but come on -- >> you should have seen huckabee four years earlier. >> when you have a mike huckabee three days before a very important primary when he actually caught fire he skips the campaign trail to give a speech in the caribbean. >> he needed the money. >> he needed the money.

my point is that there are people that run -- >> these other guys -- >> doesn't need money now. >> some people run for president because they see the benefit, hey, losing will make me more famous because of the way this perverted process works. >> so except for this sdplooshs some run for president they're serious, policy ideas they want to get out there. >> message. >> i'm not saying some of these people don't have serious policies. let's not be naive here. >> you'll be cynical. i'm trying to get huckabee votes. tell you about mike huckabee. mike huckabee, mike huckabee, he had no money in iowa. >> right. >> we were very close to him. we had him on 452 times -- >> oh, no, more like 652. >> he did the weather. >> very talented guy. >> mike huckabee is not only an extraordinarily talented politician, he is also what i call a matthew 25 christian. >> yeah. >> he is a guy that actually sweats out details about the poor and more importantly than

that, he's got a populace streak in him that reagan had that republicans need that we have turned our backs on that has made us the party of the 1% that has made us the party of the corporations that have made us the parties of k street that ronald reagan's party never was and mike huckabee's party would not be either. the consulting class would all wither up and die if mike huckabee made a run at this and so i -- chuck, i'm going to go to mark here but let you respond. >> yeah. >> mark, mike huckabee, again, like sarah palin, except with more substance, mike huckabee is a great talent out on the campaign trail. >> he's the most underrated person on the campaign trail in terms of leading the nomination. someone did a poll, cnn or abc. >> he was in first. >> abc left him off. i agree. shouldn't leave him off. >> he is so talented. his fox and radio platform have made him a huge deal. >> he's got great skills too.

>> likable guy. >> he can help us control our -- >> one thing is, i agree with chuck, he also wants to run on substance. out giving speeches testing the waters. two is, to me it's all personal and fire in the belly. i don't think he's -- objects to favre gaiting the nomination -- navigating the nomination. the third thing, all that matters to the republicans who can beat hillary clinton. i would say most of the people on bill's list if i were a republican i wouldn't send them into battle against hillary clinton. >> i would send most of them in. >> except for me, of course. >> i said most. you and sarah palin. >> exactly. >> the question is can -- you touched on this a little bit, can he get the money to get him through not just winning in iowa, but i had a question for bill, sarah palin aside, do you see any women in the republican party who could make a serious run? is suzanne na martinez on anybody's list? >> yes. >> she's been a good governor. she could try. more likely vp.

i think kelly ayotte is a terrific senator. gave an excellent speech on foreign policy ranging -- and defense policy. she's actually very knowledgeable. so i think one of those two is more likely vp probably at this point. a lot of interesting young candidates. it's hard to know ahead of time who's strong and not. i just think a lot of these people could make a good run at hillary clinton. typically at a different generation. i think -- but i think it's going to be a substantive race actually. there will be debates on foreign policy, economic policy, what's the pro-middle class, middle america agenda as opposed to the corporate agenda, how libertarian should the party be. >> very exciting. >> kelly ayotte caught a lot of people's eye back when she stood up to ted cruz in that closed-door meeting and really, really spoke out for a lot of republicans and i think -- >> cruz/ayotte, like reagan/bush. >> ted cruz we need to talk about ted cruz, he's really now

finding his footing in the senate as well. >> i think so. >> chuck todd? >> i would just say there was a -- there's an interesting list of people bill didn't have. no paul ryan no rubio, no john thune, no bobby jindal no rick case itch, no rick perry. >> no santorum. >> i don't disagree although i think santorum runs no matter what. >> my list was trying to be my guess. >> who might get there. >> who might make the cut. some will run. paul ryan and rubio would be formidable if they ran obviously. >> i've been of the -- i think rubio ends up not run too long and i think i wouldn't be surprised if he decides not to run for re-election, like he may decide you know what, he'll run, try the presidency up or out, but the interesting thing is going to be, who from wisconsin, we all assume walker, but i think ryan's more interested in this than people realize. >> final word to michael steele. >> mike until. >> ye-- michael? >> what chuck put on the table

to my point, you will have this wonderful expansion to the party in terms of the potential nominees but the underlying question that needs to get solved first is who is going to best represent the ability to pull those ends together as we've talked about on this show many times to really tie this bow tightly so they can fight hillary in 2016. >> bill, do i need to compliment anybody else or did i goodo a good job. >> you have days and weeks and months, a year and a half -- >> mike he's a great guy, that movie "hoosiers" i love that. >> bill kristol, thank you. >> hold on. let me check. >> what. check. >> go ahead. >> chuck, we'll see you coming up on "the daily rundown". >> all right. >> wow. >> clay aiken. >> oh, clay aiken, right. >> clay aiken. that's awesome. >> yes. >> did you see him as runner up of ai? like a bridge over troubled water. incredible performance. up next -- >> i'm going to -- >> who beat him? was that the ruben -- >> was it ruben studdard.

>> yeah. >> scary. >> are you watching -- >> in touch with america. >> my daughter likes to sing and write songs. >> are you watching it a little bit? >> harry, more reality to it. >> harry is a star. >> classes up the joint. >> he's funny. >> he's a star. >> he's funny. >> none of the kids know who he is but he's a star. >> he's great. >> that's not true. no, no. harry is -- >> who is the other guy? >> and then i look at him, keith urban. >> keith urban. >> michael buble. >> yeah. >> but harry is very sweet. >> great, love him. >> got to know him watching "ai". >> harry is great. so are the good people of louisiana. some of the best people in america, coming up next, hold on, get there, how progressive is elizabeth warren the new congressional vote ratings from national journal out, may surprise you. >> do you think elizabeth warren could be a contender? >> sure if she has the nerve to

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here with us now from washington, political editor for "national journal" josh kraushaar, the magazine out now with their annual vote ratings of congress. looking at exactly how members of congress voted in 2013. josh, very good to have you on. >> josh, great to have you. who are the most liberal senators the senate right now? >> the tied for the most liberal senator might not surprise you, new york, senator chuck schumer, tied with slightly lesser known, brian schatz from hawaii and connecticut, chris murphy, a very liberal member of the house

who got elected to the senate to joe lieberman's seat. those are the three top contenders. >> who are the most conservative 123450 most conservative is idaho's jim rish who isn't the most well known senator but conservative senator for the second straight year. ted cruz placed number four on the list. he -- first year in the senate, first time we got a rating for him and he certainly proved his conservative credentials. >> we see michael enzi number two which may suggest why lynne cheney had so much trouble getting traction against him. any -- any names stand out? i see most liberal house members, keith ellison in there. most conservative house reps, steve shabbat z surprising from a swing district in the cincinnati area. >> you know congressman

shabbats. he was more in the middle of the rankings when in that cincinnati competitive district. he got redistricted into a conservative district and we're seeing this polarization take place. now that he's in a safer district he's voted more conservatively with time. >> josh, elizabeth warren not as progressive as advertised. >> elizabeth warren ranked in the middle of the democratic pack which was sort of surprising for us. one of the big reasons for that was that she supported the repeal of the medical device tax in obama care and it's interesting that she's one of the democrats because -- to support repealing a big plank of the obama care law because there are a lot of medical device companies in the state of massachusetts but also shows how liberal the democratic party has moved over the years. elizabeth warren is very liberal no doubt about it, but has a lot of colleagues in that same wing of the party, same progressive

wing of the party. doesn't stand out as much as you might think. >> back to schumer. i'm surprised he ties for most liberal because he puts himself forward as someone who gets the center of the electorate and tries to figure out how to make the party a moderate party. how does he end up as liberal as anybody else? >> it's based on his votes and, you know, his positioning and his rhetoric certainly could put him in the center. he tries to talk about the middle class. he tries to talk about moderate values and the middle-class values. when you look at his votes and we tallied dozens of votes, the key votes where both parties split on the ideological levels, chuck schumer votes with the democratic leadership and consistently votes the liberal line. >> josh, i also think this section on iran is really interesting where you have someone like chuck schumer at the top of the liberal list but votes with or would vote with republicans if an iran sanctions bill came up. what did you find there? >> that goes to the point. if there's an iran sanctions

vote in 2014 people like chuck schumer, robert menendez, richard bloomenle that were among the most liberal members of the senate, if there's a vote on sanctions it's surprising these are the leading members of the senate breaking with president obama on the sanctions issue. it's not clear if we're going to have a vote at this point but on foreign policy they have staken out a moderate wing even though in 2013 they were among the most liberal voices in their party. >> everyone gets the ranksings. how difficult would the task be if you were assigned to come up with the most sensible members? >> that's a very good point. i think that's a very subjective criteria and one of the things that we do at national journal is specifically limit it just to the votes. >> all right. josh, let me make it easier for you, who is the most moderate democrat defined by, who has the most conservative rating as a

democratic senator and the most moderate rating as a republican senator? >> so you guys might not be surprised about this, but the most moderate democratic senator is joe manchin who -- >> that's good. >> clearly shown his ipds pens on a whole host of issues. been on the show many times to talk about his moderation and cen terrorism and s-- centrism and susan collins the most moderate senator. the most moderate republican senator susan cole lips is still more -- collins is still more conservative than joe manchin. now that sorting is fully complete and you have this polarization that we talked about all the time. >> interesting you say that the tea party is running out of senators to run against, because the senate is becoming so conservative. >> yeah. the tea party has won the war basically and there of the 12 senators that are up for re-election on the republican

side, in 2014, six of them are facing primary challenges from the right. but we find in our ratings that a lot of them, like pat roberts in kansas, or john cornyn in texas, they are among the most conservative members of the senate based on their voting records. so it's hard to really make the case anymore that, you know, at least in certain cases like mitch mcconnell is another example, ranks fairly conservative in our ratings, it's hard to make the case that these guys aren't voting conservatively enough. they've run out of targets in many cases and you're seeing these challenges to senators that have very conservative voting records. >> as you said, the tea party has won the battle at least for the republican party. >> exactly. yesp. >> it's a fascinating look at, wow, the national journal's cover. the most po particullarized con ever. josh kraushaar. thank you very much. very interesting. still ahead, donald trump joins us from the site of his latest mega project.

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transactionships, social media, geological surveys climate data surveillance videos, movie recommendations and d wave, the quantum computer manufacturer just happens to be selling a shiny new shovel. >> and the cover of "time" magazine this week quite a tease to the article. it promises to solve some of humanities most complex problems, backed by jeff bezos, nasa and the cia. each up with costs $10,000 and operates at 4 -- >> $10,000? >> $10 million. >> $10 million. did i say $10,000? $10 million. and nobody knows how it actually works. >> what? >> what is it? >> we are way out on the frontiers of technology here. these are computer, only five of them in existence and they take the principles of quantum physics which i guarantee none of us here can understand to make these computers that can operate theoretically so fast and so powerfully, they completely change the idea of computing. we're talking about being able to it 2 to the 512th power

calculations at the same time so just for reference, that's more atoms than there are in the universe. this is the technological leap that is transformative in all the ways -- >> strip it down. how does he say changes our lives? >> if these work as they're intended to, it would allow you to optimize any calculation in a way that it would take normal computers centuries. imagine all the computers we have now, centuries worth of calculations that they could do in a matter of seconds. >> like what? >> everything from geological surveys to genomic research to how the mars rover should be deployed to how a fighter jet should calculate its equipment. >> wow. >> it can affect potentially everything that needs to be optimized which is what these computers are best at. >> nancy, the upside of that which is the positive stuff that you're all talking about. but what is the danger? what's the drawback as we look at this and we're a country that is much more apt to be concerned

about our private information when we have this ahead in our future? >> in theory this computer could break any code. the notion that you can have some kind of code that just takes so many calculations to break, there is no computer that could outsmart this one. but having said that, these machines are very controversial. there are arguments among very smart physicists about whether these computers are actually operating in the quantum space or whether these are just sort of extra, expensive classical computers. i love the fact that even physicist is have arguments on their blogs about the legitimacy of the data and the power of these machines. >> i often argue quantum physics on my twitter feed. >> i've seen you on those blogs, joe. >> is anyone actually using them? >> so they have very few customers but the customers you want like google and the cia and nasa and the people who are obviously most interested in this are prepared to take the risk and think in a long-term

way because if this is, indeed, the future of computing these are immensely powerful tools. >> wow. okay. >> you actually -- >> don't know if i should be frightened or excited. >> frightened, confused. >> you actually wrote an article, "time" magazine, about the president of france that doesn't involve the dating game. >> oh. >> talk about why the world needs him to succeed. >> yes. we sat down with the president of france, you know he's coming next week, and as goes france, so goes europe and the european economy and so he has announced much to the surprise of i think his, you know, socialist party compatriot, a much more business-friendly, growth-oriented set of reforms to try to get the french economy back on track, to deflate a very bloated public sector, and to spur growth and everyone is watching that because it is essential that europe revive, the eurozone revive, if he can lead that reform in france it's

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finally, we have your sergeant walter garfield. >> good egg. i worked with him on the world war i memorial in st. louis. >> st. louis. >> how are you, old boy? >> a hey, walter. how are they treating you? >> taking it pretty easy on us. i think they feel sorry for us old guys. >> i don't much fancy an obstacle course. >> it's not so bad. while on the end you crawl on your belly while teenagers shoot blanks over your head. >> yes, and no. >> yes, they are teenagers. >> and no. >> they are not blanks. >> that was the accident from the new movie "the monuments men." here with us one of the film's co-stars. >> it's great to be here. i got shot three times during this and we had to do two more takes after that. >> oh, my goodness. sorry about that. i hate it when that happens.

>> yeah. >> "time" magazine, another story they have. they were the tops in their field, curators, sculptors, artists, sent over to try to protect monuments, and eventually track down the art that the nazis looted. from everyone. and put in the salt mines, into huge castle in bavaria, but tracking down was putting together clues and working with a woman over there named rose valane who -- my brain's gone. >> it's early in the morning, babe. >> i hate it when it happens. >> you've been drinking with

julie again, haven't you? >> no, yeah, i'm retired. talking about jewelry reed this morning. >> joe lost his brain last hour talking about sarah palin. >> yeah, exactly. mike? >> they're real people. everybody took -- everybody in the movie took a cut to do the job. >> i got a raise, but, yeah, the real movie stars took a cut, yeah. >> what's it like having clooney run the show? >> he's so organized, and he knows exactly what he wants that that leaves a lot of down time for messing around -- >> organized in a good way, or an ocd way? >> no, not ocd. >> no? >> a thorough professional. a great storyteller. and, yeah, like i say, he knows exactly what he wants. he knows how to use all the tools he's got. dog hates authority, respects everybody on the set. and it's the most fun i've of doing a movie. >> and we're watching what is described as the greatest treasure hunt in history. >> true story. >> true story. >> yeah. >> why was it the most fun you've had doing a movie?

>> bill murray, bob bell, matt damon. >> oh, god. >> and the great cate blanchett, who i didn't get to work with, but just watching her scenes -- matt worked with her primarily, but she's just a treasure. watching her work, amazing. >> bill murray, actually crazy? >> no, a good guy. long ball hitter, waits on his pitches. >> huge st. louis cardinals fan. >> oh, really? >> yeah. >> is matt damon fun? >> oh, he's dreamy. >> what? >> he's dreamy. >> he seems so serious. >> no! >> oh, god. >> by the way, mike, i had promised both claire mccaskill and bill wolfe that for all of our talking about the red sox and the series, we're going to get an opening game in st. louis this year, we have to do that. >> john and i were talking about cardinals fans earlier. >> yeah, die hard. i grew up -- stan musial, those

guys. >> second greatest fans in the world. >> second greatest. >> they know baseball, and they respect the other players. there's not a lot of booing going on. they enjoy the game. they're really into it. >> just like yankee fans. >> yeah, just exactly like -- >> i love your story. can i tell your story? >> tell his story. >> which one did i -- which one do you have? >> it's a really good one. your father was postal worker. >> yes. >> your mother waited tables at the local barbecue. went to missouri state on a football scholarship. >> that's not true. >> no? >> no, but that's -- >> okay. can you do us a favor? >> lean back? >> it's like clooney -- >> no, like talking to his son, ash, don't interrupt, you're getting in the way of the story. >> did you play football? >> i played high school football. we won one game in four years. i was injured moat ed most of year. >> perfect scholarship -- >> who wrote this thing? >> "hey jude" during punishment

laps. i wanted to walk on the team at st. louis state missouri university, i was a big baby and had bad grades, and that didn't work out. and i found my perfect niche in the theater department. >> and took a gamble on it all, acting. did pretty good. >> yeah, what else did i have? >> i know. >> nothin'. >> let's talk -- >> i love that story, except for the part that was wrong. >> let's talk about one of the greatest of our time. just extraordinary, philip seymour hoffman. >> ahh. >> talk about if you will, just -- >> anything i have to add at this point would be just cheap rhetoric. it's addiction, a horrible disease. >> yeah. >> and that's exactly what it is. and he was clean, sober for 23 years. went off a little last year, and they found him again. i was lucky enough to work with him a couple of times. we were dressing roommates in "the park."

and at that time, i was drinking, and he wasn't. i asked him if he wanted to go out and have a couple, and "i don't drink." >> yeah. >> pretty intense, so i let it go. but he was one of the few actors could call an artist. he was brilliant. >> yeah, he was. you know, the amazing thing about philip seymour hoffman is that with rare exception, a couple of films that he carried, he carried when he wasn't cast in the "a" lead, he would carry the film in the "b" lead. even, you know, the classic, the cult film, "the big lebowski," he has a fairly mine role in that. >> brent. >> brent. but people can recite the lin lines -- >> you can recite the lines -- walter lines -- >> he was -- he made me laugh -- very funny. yeah, he was a treasure. >> yeah. >> all right, john, thank you so

much for coming in. >> your movie is getting rave reviews. "the monuments men" is in theaters tomorrow. john goodman, thank you for coming on. will you come back? >> thanks for having me. please, i'll come back in a couple of minutes -- >> that would be nice. >> you know what i want to hear from you? >> what? >> some of your favorite college football stories, those i know, maybe as a -- >> yeah, well, i still limp. >> yeah? >> do that. >> okay. >> all right. coming up next, donald trump talks about his latest and greatest, greatest, greatest, greatest ever project. >> ever. >> and politics in new york state, as well. he'll talk about that, too. that's next on "morning joe." john goodman, thank you so much. >> thank you, john. life's an adventure when you're with her.

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♪ good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast, as you take a live look at new york city. welcome back to "morning joe." back with us on set, would he have mark halperin, mike barnicle, julie pace on the set here in new york. and in washington, michael steele. we begin this hour with the latest report on obamacare, which is framing the long-running debate over the size and scope of government. and how federal programs impact everything from the economy to what incentive american workers have to get ahead.

this week, the congressional budget office said the health care law will cause a decline in the number of full-time workers. democrats say it reflects new opportunities that americans didn't have in the past. >> as a result of the affordable care act, more americans will be able to voluntarily choose -- choose to work fewer hours or not take a job, because they don't depend on that job anymore for the provision of health insurance. the affordable care act does end that job lock. it allows americans to choose to spend more time with their family or pursue their dreams, and that is not a bad thing. it's a good thing. >> but republicans, led by budget committee chairman paul ryan, responded by suggesting poor workers are being encouraged to work less. >> by providing subs -- heavily subsidized health insurance to people with low income, and withdrawing the subsidies as the

income rises, the act creates a disincentive for people to work, relative to what would have been in place in the absence. people are better off. but less of an incentive to work and -- >> i guess i understand the better off in the context of health care. but better off in inducing a person not to work, who's on the low income scale, not to get on the ladder of life, to begin working, getting the dignity of work, getting more opportunities, rising their income, joining the middle cl s class, this means fewer people will do that. that's why i'm troubled by this. >> it's interesting, mark halperin, the cbo director, certainly not a right-wing conservative, said that the affordable care act provide as disincentive to work. that's not -- you know, democrat d democrats can go out and talk about job lock and this and that

and the other, but you have the cbo director talking about how the affordable care act creates a disincentive to work. that's not just the headline, as a lot of people were suggesting yesterday. that's the heart of the story. >> it is. >> to me. >> it is, although -- >> no, work less and -- >> but it's because people will have more choices. i actually think -- >> on balance. >> wait, more choices to what? what? what are you talking about? >> come on. >> you believe everybody -- >> what are you talking about? >> if you believe everybody should have health care in our society, this allows some people to make the choice to not work. i think the bigger problem for the democrats, and both sides have an argument -- >> why is that so funny? >> wait, hold on a second. >> this is a bigger problem for this. this is the bigger problem. because all the things in the cbo study are down the road. this story about people losing access to their doctors now because health care plans are being -- are not being regulated to force the programs to allow them to have access to a lot of

providers, this story, this is hitting this year. this is a bigger problem. >> well, that's a problem. but i want to explain, mika, let's have this discussion -- >> no, no -- >> you asked a question, why are michael steele and i laughing. >> right. >> why did michael steele laugh? it's because democrats are trying to frame this and the media is trying to frame this, as they have for the past 24 hours, this study, which is devastating and goes to the heart of the problem that conservatives have against the welfare state. that programs are set up to create a disincentive to work, and that's exactly what the cbo said in their report, and michael steele, as you read it -- >> yep. >> -- it said people would have a disincentive to work more, that have a disincentive, why? because the less they worked, the mof government benefits they would get. >> that's right. >> that's the congressional budget office, that paul paul

ryan. that wasn't ted cruz. that wasn't joe scarborough. that was center-left economists looking at this -- the cbo, which the president of the united states talks about all the time -- saying the affordable care act creates an disincentive for people to work, because the more they work, the more they're punished. the less they work, the less benefits they get from the federal government. that, michael, has been at the crux of the -- >> absolutely. >> -- argument, conservatives had against the welfare state for 50 years? >> for 50 years, joe, and certainly during the last three or four years when this whole argument about nationalizing our economy in terms of health care began. and so, it's just loopy to sit there and make excuses the way this administration has, particularly since this report has come out. the fact of the matter is, it's very clear, as you just laid it out, that you now have, particularly for lower income, you know, workers, those who are the working poor, have this incentive, if you will, or this

choice as mark just put it not to work. i mean, how crazy is that? so let me get this straight. so listen, tomorrow i can have my doctor or go to work? that just doesn't -- it doesn't make sense to anybody to sit there and think that you're going to make that kind of choice, or the government is incentivizing you to stay home from work and -- >> -- social security disincentive to work? >> exactly. >> is social security a disincentive to work? >> no, does the congressional budget office call social security -- >> right, exactly. >> no. >> they would if they studied it in the same way. >> wait a minute, social security goes to your retirement. that assumes you're already working. >> and you have paid in -- >> you have more people that keep working if they didn't have social security. so why don't we get rid of that as a disincentive? >> exactly. >> julie pace, roll out a big government program, do something really big, and chances are the other side are going to find tons of different ways to poke

holes in it, and yet nobody can really predict the long-term impact. and that's what you said yesterday. 20, 30 years from now, is this going to be a good thing or a bad thing for our society? by the way, the critics here, do you want people to have health care or not? because it's not a simple fix. or another president would have been able to do it. 30 years it's been tried. >> right. there are two things to look at here. one on the pure economics of this, what we don't know is what the economic impact will be if you have roughly 2.5 million people who are no longer working full time over the next decade. some of those people may say, i'm going to take this opportunity to start a small business that i've always wanted to do. that could have positive economic impacts. if their jobs are replaced by other people working full time, that could be good for the economy. but we just don't know that yet. and just on the politics, you know, this is a discussion we're having where we're really kind of getting into what this report actually says. but we all know that come october and november of this year, the ads that are being run against democrats, like mary

landrieu and mark pryor, will be boiling this down a much simpler -- perhaps not accurate -- argument, that will be tough -- >> like the headline yesterday, all of the jobs that will be lost. >> and i want to be clear, you talked about the other side. the congressional budget office is not the other side. and the own thing i've talked about this morning are their exact words. i see you smiling and whatever. no, i'm just quoting what the congressional budget office said, that people will have a disincentive to work more. and, mike, forget about republicans, forget about conservatives, most americans rebelled against the excesses of the welfare state and the great society for 30 or 40 years, because they saw a disincentive to work. and they saw what the long-term impact was. and for some of us -- and i think for most americans reading this report -- they're going to think, geez, this sure sounds a lot like 1975 to me.

>> well, it also seems, if you take a step back and look at it, which is hard to do right now in the throes of the report just being issued, but if you attempt to take a step back, you see two different levels, it would appear. you see the practical and the political. the political level is that this provides enormous ammunition for the republican party. enormous ammunition, because everyone in america gets, oh, a disincentive to work. they get that. and the labels are all right there as provided by the congressional budget office. there's the political part of it. and the other aspect of the political part of it, michael, there are elements within the republican party that have been trying for years to eliminate elements of the new deal, the great society -- >> sure. >> -- all sorts of social programs that many americans depend on -- poor, middle class. many americans depend on them. so that's the political side. the practical side -- >> right. >> -- this phrase "job lock." now, i get the idea that

portability of your insurance means you can leave your job. >> right. >> and still have your medical benefits to some extent and go to another job. but the problem with job lock and the feeling of freedom that comes with portability in your health insurance is that we, as a country, as a culture, as a society, as an economic and political set of people, we are about two years away from having a robot come into your house as a plumber. there are no jobs. we are on the edge of technology changing our work culture to an extent we can't even figure out. so that's the problem of people who say this is a terrific thing. >> so to what you just said, today's "wall street journal" is taking a look at how technology is impacting the nation's workforce, like the plumber you just talked about. the article notes rapid innovation and globalization is taking an especially heavy toll on american men. >> there you go. >> who were traditional at a prime age to hold down a job.

of course, we had guests in the past who were in this area right now of trouble. according to the report, just 6% of american men ages 25 to 54 were without jobs in the early 1970s. that number grew to 13% in 2007. two years later, the great recession left nearly 20% without work. today, the number stands at 17%, speaking to what the article calls a, quote, chronic condition. >> mika, you've talked about this so much. >> yeah. >> you know, my -- remember my father sitting on the edge of his bed, and my mother talking about -- he was 40, when he turned 40. of course, that was back in the early '70s, so 40 was sort of what 50 is right now. >> right. right. >> but now, how many men that you've talked to, that you know, especially through duane, are sitting on the edges of their beds this morning at 50, who

have been working hard their whole life, been playing by the rules, and the economy that mike was talking about and the "wall street journal" talking about, has just left them behind. >> left them behind. that's what the author who we had on the show a few years ago, dwayne shank, the response he's gotten to the book has been unbelievable. men and women, actually, because -- >> well, i say men. women, yeah, as well. >> men really locked into the psychological part of that, because you have to completely go at this in a way that most men who have played by the rules and have worked all their lives are not prepared for. >> and it gets into this larger discussion not just about health care and the impacts that we see in this report, but what kind of job-training programs are available to these people? are they training them for the jobs that are actually -- that will be for -- >> for a 50-year-old man? >> yeah, tough to learn computers and new skills that aren't, you know, like, machines and that kind of labor, that they might be used to. how is our education system training young people to make sure they stay competitive? it's a much larger discussion.

>> by the way, i wanted to -- let's be positive for one second, because that's, mike, of course, because i do, you know up with people. >> yeah, mr. sunshine. >> we were talking about this, i'm one of the 3%, i'm very optimistic about america and the future. let's just go ahead and give a big sunshine smile to the governor of tennessee who is doing -- >> yes. >> -- what we've been talking about, and just following up with what julie said, where the governor is saying, hey, you want to go vo tech schools, you want to be a plumber, go to community colleges, learn the craft that maybe will make you $60,000, $70,000, $90,000, the jobs that we can't fill in america, go to college for free two years. >> you need more focus on that, on voc ed, and you need what mika just referred to, julie, if

a man loses his job, at the age of 50, 55, you lose a part of your life that's never coming back. >> right. >> right now, the way it works in this country, it's never coming back. >> so if i can bring it back to the beginning of this conversation, these are people who want to work. should they also lose their health care? >> no. >> i don't think that's disincentive. >> nobody is suggesting that, mika. that's a cheap shot. >> no -- why is that a cheap shot? >> it's just a cheap shot. >> wait. why is that -- >> it's either/or. >> you were suggesting that we have to put -- that if republicans -- if moderate americans are concerned about a health care program that's been put in place at the congressional budget office says provides a disincentive for americans to work, that you're against everybody having health care. you know, there are more than -- there's more than one approach to health care. >> right. >> and the fact that barack obama and nancy pelosi and most of the people in washington still don't understand the health care plan they passed in 2009. so let's not pretend that god

chiselled it out on tablets and gave it to moses on mt. sinai, and it was the perfect plan that came down, because it is still a red-hot mess. >> but as joe biden would say, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. i agree with everything you say, except -- >> thank you. thank you so much. >> -- except if you have universal health care, there is going to be a time, some people who choose not to work because they don't need to to have health care. >> right. >> just a fact. >> michael steele? >> i don't think that's surprising. >> why do we have to have this system where there's an either/or proposition for the consumer, that if i want health care, then i don't work or, hey, i can opt out of working? if that's what the government is setting up as the model, then that's not a very smart model. you know, i agree that the governor of tennessee is looking at this holistically and trying to get this workforce jump-started in his state. but again, you fall back on this question that it is a 50-year-old man who's just lost

his job, you know, what are you going to do with vo tech -- how long will it take you to grow back into an economy at 50,000, 60,000, $80,000 a year, so we have to look at this more smartly than we are, and the all-size-fits-most-folks that obama wants to put in place, has frayed ends. i reject this proposition that, you know, somehow if you have health care, work becomes an option. >> coming up on "morning joe," how chris christie's pain is scott walker's gain. politico's mike allen explains why people are looking a lot closer at the wisconsin governor's prospects for 2016. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> cold forecast, mika. thankfully, not a snowy forecast. i've got fantastic news for the west coast. first, let's look at how much the united states can covered in snow after our two big snowstorms. we've got snow pretty much covering almost all of the northern two-thirds of the country. the one spot where we're lacking where we normally see it, is

northern california, the cascades, especially the northern portions of the sierra mountains, about snow is coming this weekend. wind chill advisories all the way down to the texas coast. i've heard out in houston, they've had reports of sleet this morning and snow around oklahoma city and snow showers around dallas. look at dallas, the wind chill is now 2. we're at minus 46 in montana, and snowing and 10 degrees in oklahoma city, about two inches on the ground, so be careful traveling there. as far as today goes, just a very cold day throughout the middle of the country. and as far as the west goes, your rain comes friday, saturday. heavy rain. we could get more rain this weekend than some spots have seen all year long. let me leave you with a shot of oklahoma, juf the latest winter wonderland, and oh, what a winter it's been. no signs of it stopping. you're watching "morning joe." people don't have to think about

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you're an extraordinary golfer, you can't go into donald's office, hard to get to his seat, because he has the trophies around from the golf championships that he won, and i want to ask you a couple of things. we heard you may be interested in running for governor if there were a unified republican party in the state of new york. is that a possibility? >> well, it's a possibility, and i told them i'd do it, but they'd have to unify the party. we have somebody named ed cox that's got a tremendous losing record, and they don't have a unified party. if they did, i would have do it. interestingly, joe, we have the highest taxes in the country. we have the highest tolls probably anywhere in the world. we have fees all over the place. and people are leaving right here for florida. i have a lot of property in florida, and i want to tell you it's boom town, boom town, usa, 800 acres here in the middle of miami. so many people are leaving from florida because of the taxes. i mean, the weather doesn't hurt in all fairness, it's so beautiful. just incredible. >> yeah sdwlchlt so i would -- i would do it if they can unify

the party. there's a real question whether or not somebody like ed kochs can do that. >> we'll see if that happens. i'm reading from "forbes" an article this year, it says how ivanka trump got the doral resort and the blue monster for a bargain basement price and had a baby at the same time, and you start reading, and it says tomorrow, tiger woods, roy, of course, the rest of the world's best golfers tee off -- a treasure, and you guys got it for -- not quite a steal. but pretty good deal. >> well, the previous people paid $550 million, and i bought it for $150 million. now, in all fairness, we're going to spend about $250 million on it. and we've already spent most of it. it's almost ready to open. the blue monster is finished -- that's why we're here today, ribbon cutting. we'll have a little tee shot in

about 10 minutes and it will be wonderful. hopefully, it's down the middle and long. i will say it's a special course. we've gotten rave reviews. it's brand-new course, brand-new blue monster. and in early march, we have tiger and phil and everybody coming, playing the world golf championships, the cadillac. and it's one of the biggest tournaments in golf. >> and tell us -- >> the top 70 players in the world, all of which have accepted. >> it's a family afay. talk about ivanka and what she did as part of this deal. >> well, she's a spectacular person. she's also a very good person. she's got tremendous heart, and she really has worked very hard in doral, and she's doing another job that's close to her heart, and that's the old post office. we start that in about four weeks, and that's going to be great, right in washington, d.c., on pennsylvania avenue, right between the white house and the capitol. and it's going to be -- it's going to be amazing, i tell you what, that building, we think it will be the most luxurious and finest hotel in the united states. >> it's a great building.

>> the old post office building, as you know, locationally is incredible, and the building is one of the most beautiful in the united states. >> it really is. mika? >> thomas, go ahead. >> talk when the timeline for completion. sir, when is the timeline for completion for the post office in d.c.? >> well, we'll start it in a month, and we'll have it finished in about 19 months. we'll have it built quickly and beautifully. you know, we start off with foundations and a fine building. so we're doing interior demolition, the windows. i mean, we're doing a lot of work. it's a big job. but we'll have it done in about 18, 19 months. >> so this -- >> prior to -- prior to '16, we'll have it finished. >> there you go. >> whoever the new president is that walks down the street or rides down that street, we'll have that building ready. >> do you have any person in being that person? >> well, i'm going to look to see what happens in '14. i will say this, we have an interesting election coming up. i think because of obamacare, it

will be disastrous for the democrats. lots of things happen very quickly in politics, and you people cover it better than anybody, and you know what i'm talking about. and, mark, were you so nice to me in the book and i appreciate it. and the book was terrific. i must tell you, thomas was a big star on nbc at the miss universe pageant. we have our man for many years to come. he was great. >> oh, he's fantastic. >> i reached out to paula for lunch, i want to convince her to let me do miss usa. >> i think that'll happen. >> i have a feeling that might happen. >> the ladies are safe with me. it's good. [ laughter ] >> what did you spend -- >> that's a shame. >> -- what did you spend on the course? the fountain behind you, is that new? >> say it again. i can't hear you. >> what did you spend the $250 million on to make the course better? is the fountain behind you, is that new? >> well, it's not -- yeah, it's not just the course. it's the clubhouse. the clubhouse has been -- you know, was 50 years old and falling down, and we built a

brand-new clubhouse, essentially, used some of the steel. but the clubhouse, the rooms are named after -- we have ten villas and named them after the ten greatest players ever. gary player, jack nicklaus, arnold palmer, paul hogan, sam snead, tiger woods, phil mickelson, named them after the best ten players in the history of golf. and they've been so well received. so we finished the gary player villa, and tiger's almost complete. and every one of the players signed off immediately, because you have to get permission to use their name. but every one of them signed off immediately. so the villas -- it's a big project. it's five courses, and it's 700 hotel rooms. sand six massive ballrooms. beautiful ball rooms, all brand new. so everything is brand new, and it's really a spectacular place. >> so after playing with us, do you think that donald put our names on something down there? >> well, yours is going to be the 11th mika. >> don't you think so? >> i saw mika hit one shot.

hey, i saw her hit one shot at westchester, and she topped it into the water, skimmed across the water, hit rocks and landed on the green, and i've never seen a shot like that before in my life. and i thought it was brilliant. she was 15 feet away from the pin. i said, i've never seen anything like that in my life. >> see? >> it was brilliant. >> see? >> deserves a villa. >> i think my name gets to be placed on something. all right. good luck with everything. looks like fun. >> thank you very much. >> donald, thank you very much. up next -- >> thank you, mika. thank you, joe. >> thank you so much, donald. >> leigh gallagher is standing by with some booze. what else is there to say? >> the magazine new cover story is on bourbon, and leigh comes bearing gifts, and we'll have a taste test. there's mika having a taste test right there. >> that was different. that's surviving you. bob will , which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪ he's an architect with two kids and a mortgage.

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♪ welcome back, everybody. joining us now is "fortune" magazine editor leigh gallagher with the latest on the booming bourbon business. >> why is it booming? >> it's absolutely booming. it's really been surprising and swift and shocking. because for a long time, bourbon went through this kind of hangover period and -- >> i never had bourbon. >> oh, you haven't? >> -- but it is super cool, super hip. everyone wants bourbon. you know, the hottest drink on

wall street is not a screaming eagle cabernet like it used to be, it's van winkle. >> yeah, there. >> yeah, this is the bottle we photographed on the cover. so this is that very bottle we made. >> and we just -- >> we're busting into it, totally. >> now, a lot of this is -- it's not, like, jack daniels and the big -- the big makers, it's a o also -- it's a lot of home ground -- >> the whole brooklyn, small-batch, everything movement has, of course, come to bourbon -- >> people drink that? >> yeah, they could. >> what's the point of purr b bourbon -- >> what's the point? >> wine yesterday, bourbon today. >> i don't think the wine was that good, it was skunked. >> over the whole mouth. >> one of the sweeter -- >> what's that? >> bottom's up.

>> my fee iance is a big whiske drinker, so how did it go from being down market to trendy among young people? >> it was one company's hail mary pass. in the '50s, a big bourbon boom, and a hangover in the '70s and '80s and all of the distilleries went down market, and they started mixing it with drinks. >> why are people drinking this? >> because now there's a new movement of very high-end, very kind of, you know, handcrafted super premium bourbon -- >> it doesn't taste good. >> it tastes great. >> no. >> it's an acquired taste. >> i'm not an -- i don't drink a lot of alcohol. but when i do -- >> it's bourbon? >> it's bourbon. man, it's just warm many i'm so warm, it's great. >> hmm-mm. >> ginger, diet coke, how? >> just bourbon. >> bourbon on the rocks. >> if i want diet coke, i'll drink diet coke. >> i feel like i'm drinking gasoline. >> it's, also, it's american.

bourbon is only american, so it's that sort of -- it's authentic, and people really like that. so now, there's 400 or some distilleries where there used to be -- >> does it do well outside the borders? >> it does. >> vodka has been cherished and brought in from overseas -- >> it does very well. in fact, jim beam was bought by sintori, and weirdly the japanese have had a taste for bourbon over the years. >> really? >> yeah. >> try some more and see how it is. >> drink your juice, shelby. >> it's $8 billion, the whole market. it's not that big. >> that's it, shelby. drink your juice. >> it burns. >> is that supposed to -- >> in a great way. it warms you up. it goes all the way down. that's what i love about it, five minutes later, drinking the right stuff, it's still -- >> what do you think? did you like it or not? >> when i used to drink, i liked bourbon. i gave up drinking almost three years ago. i had a good run. >> no wonder you get up so early.

>> yeah. >> that's the secret. the secret is always no fun. >> i don't drink a lot. but that stuff is -- i personally love it. but you hate it, huh? >> no, i don't like it. >> it's a small company in colorado, actually, and bourbon is known for kentucky. but this is a company out of -- >> your posture is changing. >> i don't feel well. so what's it supposed to do to you? >> make you feel good. >> mika, it's vodka. it's a -- >> no, vodka is drink. have you had, by the way, the trump vodka? >> it warps you up. >> no. >> i think this idea about it being outside of kentucky is so interesting. i was in colorado during the campaign in 2012, and that was, like, the hot thing. it wasn't microbrews, it was the distilleries. >> bourbon has replaced any hip beverage. just talk to anybody. it's crazy. everyone, of course, is worried whether this is bubble. what's going to happen? can we hold onto this? >> i'm going to try this on some friends. >> if you mix it with ginger, i think you'll have a much smoother ride.

yeah. >> can i put it in my vitamix? >> sure. >> why not? >> don't mix it with anything. just drink it. >> kale. >> who is the wildest mormon entrepreneur ever? >> this is josh james. >> oxymoron. >> no -- josh james, silicon valley tech entrepreneur, now on his second act. he's really an interesting, colorful, charismatic guy people don't know about. yeah, from utah, mormon. >> can you tell me really quickly about the world of international college application -- >> yes, this is a great story. so there's this movement overseas -- >> are you okay, mika? are you okay? >> it's not vodka. it's american. maybe that's why you can't handle it. you just don't love america. go ahead. everybody overseas, especially in emerging markets, wants to come to our universities, and fixers that will hire up, buff up the applications, oftentimes making them fraudulent, making up stories, fabricating essays, and now college admissions counselors in the u.s. are

dealing with this. it's a huge issue. a fantastic story. >> cool. >> and we have a great q&a with mary barra from general motors. >> oh, fantastic. >> never asked for a raise and never asked for a promotion. >> okay. i've got to have her on the show. >> make leigh our official booze kroen correspondent. >> i would love that. >> drink up, a new "fortune" magazine cover. thank you so much for coming and bringing actually a drink that mika doesn't like. she likes alcohol but -- >> no, this doesn't taste good. i'm sorry. >> that's okay. >> it doesn't taste good. it tastes great. it goes down and you just -- >> oh, yeah. >> coming up next, what, if anything, did we learn today? std to launch your big idea. adding thousands of products online every day. from hard hats and goggles. to tools and cleaning products... to state of the art computers, to coffee to keep you fueled. from the sign over the door to the boxes to get it out the door.

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♪ welcome back, kids. time to talk about what we learned today. mark? >> there's some alcohol mika doesn't like. >> not anymore. she's getting a taste for it. >> the bobsled team, arrived in sochi. >> and if bill kristol has his prediction, a lot of reporters will be heads to alaska soon. >> vote for joe. >> next time, i'm bringing vodka and mixers. >> okay, mika, what did you learn? >> what did you learn? >> i learned julie pace is an expert on a new app called tender. >> she doesn't need it. she's going to marry -- she's going to marry.

>> i'm going to -- >> get to drink some more? >> louis? something with fashion week. see you later. >> she's starting to look it. >> stick around, we've got the president speaking at the prayer breakfast right now, and chuck todd with "the daily rundown." we'll see you tomorrow. thank you so much. the president and religion, an annual tradition today as the president speaks at the national prayer breakfast in washington. we'll bring you his remarks live, as soon as he begins speaking. also this morning, this is a house candidate. "american idol" alumnus clay aiken is running for the house in north carolina. we'll talk to him. exclusively. in just a few minutes. the only interview in the 9:00 a.m. hour. plus, what does scarlet joe hand -- johansson have to do with the middle east peace process? this is "the daily rundown." good morning.